That's the doublethink required to believe in the Book of Mormon. A horse is a deer, Nephi and his family took over a major civilization without any struggle from the Mayans Aztecs or Incas and the gold plates were not made of gold but a similar metal.
The Hill Cumorah isn't the Hill Cumorah, Nephi cut off a guys head, put on his cloths and no one noticed all the blood; God ordered people to build a bunch of cigar shaped submarines to cross the ocean (wonder where all the animal manure went?).
How do logical people believe such things? Because they prayed about it and got a very strong feeling that it was true and that it really happened. Fiction becomes true history. Mormons begin to see things the rest of us don't but since they are generally nice people, no one really needs to bother them about it.
The problem comes when they try and convince others that their magical delusion is real. That Nephites and Lamanites were real people despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Believe as you like. If you wish to believe Middle Earth is a real place and that the Sith are dangerous go ahead. But don't get offended when those of us who live in reality dismiss your fantasy as nonsense.
Sunday, August 31, 2008
Friday, August 29, 2008
Interesting letter to the editor
This from a reader of a Idaho newspaper:
Learn all you can about LDS before conversion
I have followed the editorials and letters regarding the dedication of the LDS temple and other church members who passed out leaflets. Some of those critical of the other church members may be missing a major point. I have great admiration for my Latter-day Saint friends. It is not that their beliefs differ from traditional Christianity that bothers me; we all have differences. But it is the way that they present - or fail to present - those beliefs that is troubling.
Had I known the "deeper" teachings of Mormonism, about how God became a god and how other men may become gods, I likely would not have converted. Had I fully understood their unique view of the origin of Jesus and his role today, I likely would not have joined. If I had understood the ritual that takes place inside the temple (some of which have been removed since I was LDS), I may not have joined. I would not have devoted eight years of my life to the church, including two years overseas on a mission. And I would have not had to experience the emotional trauma of an excommunication and the pain of disappointing Mormon friends I loved.
True, it was partly my responsibility to learn more about LDS theology, but the missionaries and even church members are reluctant to discuss these sensitive but important distinctions. As an LDS missionary, I was instructed not to delve into these teachings with prospective converts. Perhaps those distributing literature were trying to make others aware of the key differences between the LDS faith and other faiths so that when people do decide to become LDS, they do so having a complete understanding of all the church holds sacred. It's good to hear all sides before making a life-changing decision.
GENE FADNESS
Boise
Amen, Gene...Amen!
Learn all you can about LDS before conversion
I have followed the editorials and letters regarding the dedication of the LDS temple and other church members who passed out leaflets. Some of those critical of the other church members may be missing a major point. I have great admiration for my Latter-day Saint friends. It is not that their beliefs differ from traditional Christianity that bothers me; we all have differences. But it is the way that they present - or fail to present - those beliefs that is troubling.
Had I known the "deeper" teachings of Mormonism, about how God became a god and how other men may become gods, I likely would not have converted. Had I fully understood their unique view of the origin of Jesus and his role today, I likely would not have joined. If I had understood the ritual that takes place inside the temple (some of which have been removed since I was LDS), I may not have joined. I would not have devoted eight years of my life to the church, including two years overseas on a mission. And I would have not had to experience the emotional trauma of an excommunication and the pain of disappointing Mormon friends I loved.
True, it was partly my responsibility to learn more about LDS theology, but the missionaries and even church members are reluctant to discuss these sensitive but important distinctions. As an LDS missionary, I was instructed not to delve into these teachings with prospective converts. Perhaps those distributing literature were trying to make others aware of the key differences between the LDS faith and other faiths so that when people do decide to become LDS, they do so having a complete understanding of all the church holds sacred. It's good to hear all sides before making a life-changing decision.
GENE FADNESS
Boise
Amen, Gene...Amen!
Wednesday, August 27, 2008
The Lord needs some more cash....or anything else you might have.
The Lord needs your money! He'll take 10, 20, 50 or 100%. Just take a look here.
I found some interesting things on the FAQ:
Q.
If I don't have much cash, can I still participate?
A.
Yes. Many people in your circumstances make significant gifts with assets such as real estate, stocks, and bonds. You might consider some of these commonly used methods:
Outright Gifts of Securities and Real Estate. You might incur large tax liabilities by selling appreciated securities and real estate. However, you can reduce your tax liability and build the kingdom at the same time by giving the securities and real estate directly to a Church-sponsored institution or program.
Bargain Sale. A Church-sponsored institution will purchase the asset at a bargain price. The gift you give is the difference between the sale price and the fair market value of the property.
Remainder Interest Deed. This deed allows you to retain the use of your personal residence during your lifetime. At your death, the property is passed to the program you specify. This type of gift would provide you with an immediate income tax deduction.
Q.
What if I still need income to take care of my physical needs?
A.
Your situation is more common than you might suppose. There are many types of plans you can set up to meet your needs and still make contributions to Church-sponsored entities. A Charitable Gift Annuity allows you to transfer assets to the program or institution of your choice in exchange for a lifetime annuity. Annuity payments can begin now or in the future, at your request. A Pooled Income Fund allows several people of modest means to participate in a trust agreement by pooling their gifts. In this type of fund, each participant receives an income for his or her lifetime. When a contributor dies, his or her portion of the fund principal goes to a program specified by that individual. A Charitable Life Income Trust enables you to place an asset in trust, directing the income to yourself or a beneficiary for a specified term or for life. At the end of the trust term, any remaining assets and income go to the Church-sponsored program or institution of your choice.
I also noticed that they don't have any charts or graphs that point out where the money goes. Maybe to help people or maybe to help build their new billion dollar shopping mall. I don't know and neither does anyone else. Yet if you are going to hand over everything you have earned, shouldn't they tell you exactly where you money is going.
I've found this is a very touchy subject for Mormons because they can't even conceive that their leaders would not be totally honest with them about financial matters. What they don't understand (or want to understand)is that without a system of oversight humans will do naughty things with other people's money and it doesn't matter if they claim to piety and righteousness as their sole guide.
Every time I see stuff like this I'm reminded of the words of the late George Carlin:
Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll be sent to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money!
Kolob mining stock anyone?
I found some interesting things on the FAQ:
Q.
If I don't have much cash, can I still participate?
A.
Yes. Many people in your circumstances make significant gifts with assets such as real estate, stocks, and bonds. You might consider some of these commonly used methods:
Outright Gifts of Securities and Real Estate. You might incur large tax liabilities by selling appreciated securities and real estate. However, you can reduce your tax liability and build the kingdom at the same time by giving the securities and real estate directly to a Church-sponsored institution or program.
Bargain Sale. A Church-sponsored institution will purchase the asset at a bargain price. The gift you give is the difference between the sale price and the fair market value of the property.
Remainder Interest Deed. This deed allows you to retain the use of your personal residence during your lifetime. At your death, the property is passed to the program you specify. This type of gift would provide you with an immediate income tax deduction.
Q.
What if I still need income to take care of my physical needs?
A.
Your situation is more common than you might suppose. There are many types of plans you can set up to meet your needs and still make contributions to Church-sponsored entities. A Charitable Gift Annuity allows you to transfer assets to the program or institution of your choice in exchange for a lifetime annuity. Annuity payments can begin now or in the future, at your request. A Pooled Income Fund allows several people of modest means to participate in a trust agreement by pooling their gifts. In this type of fund, each participant receives an income for his or her lifetime. When a contributor dies, his or her portion of the fund principal goes to a program specified by that individual. A Charitable Life Income Trust enables you to place an asset in trust, directing the income to yourself or a beneficiary for a specified term or for life. At the end of the trust term, any remaining assets and income go to the Church-sponsored program or institution of your choice.
I also noticed that they don't have any charts or graphs that point out where the money goes. Maybe to help people or maybe to help build their new billion dollar shopping mall. I don't know and neither does anyone else. Yet if you are going to hand over everything you have earned, shouldn't they tell you exactly where you money is going.
I've found this is a very touchy subject for Mormons because they can't even conceive that their leaders would not be totally honest with them about financial matters. What they don't understand (or want to understand)is that without a system of oversight humans will do naughty things with other people's money and it doesn't matter if they claim to piety and righteousness as their sole guide.
Every time I see stuff like this I'm reminded of the words of the late George Carlin:
Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll be sent to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money!
Kolob mining stock anyone?
Monday, August 25, 2008
Mormonism claims another victim
This time it's the sister of Richard Packham. Unable to deal with the stress and demands of Mormon "perfection" she took her own life. Richard has helped so many people get out of Mormonism and find happy lives. It's a terrible shame that he could not pry his own sister from the grasp of the Beast.
My sincere condolences go out to him.
My sincere condolences go out to him.
Saturday, August 23, 2008
Following the Prophet: How it works
We've discussed Spencer Kimball and his infamous advice on having children: Don't worry if you are in college, don't worry if you are not prepared...just live together as husband and wife and let the children come.
So this is how following the prophet works- if you do this and everything turns out okay, then it just proves that following the prophet brings blessings. But what if it does not work out. I found this post by a young woman who followed Kimball's advice:
I'm 23 years old, pregnant with our second. I married my husband at the age of 18, jumping into a relationship with him after a horribly abusive relationship with a different young man, one I stayed with because when I asked my BYU single's ward bishop for help, he said I "wasn't sorry enough yet" and needed to repent. With that response, I was sure no one would help me.
My husband is a very nice man, but we're just starting to get on our feet financially, after following the advice given to BYU students by a member of the twelve while we were there, and not waiting to start a family. We soon found, though, that it's easier said then done, especially if both your families can't afford to help you, you have massive health problems while pregnant, and your Wymount ward looks the other way, unless they're upset at you for missing church.
Interesting, too, that while the church is telling college kids to get married and have kids, Utah law meant that as full-time students, we were unable to get any real help from the government, something we tried as a last resort. In the end, we left with my husband barely graduating, us in debt, and me being forced to drop out of school, while sick and pregnant, and then go waitress at Dennys so we could survive.
Looks like old Kimball's "prophetic advice" was a bust here...right? WRONG!
In Mormonism, it's not the leaders who fail... you fail.
You did something wrong, you were not righteous enough, you didn't go to the temple enough, you were not humble, you failed to have Family Home Evening or didn't pay tithing or do your visiting teaching or you didn't ________ enough.
At any rate...if you follow the prophet and it does not work out for you just remember....it's your fault!
So this is how following the prophet works- if you do this and everything turns out okay, then it just proves that following the prophet brings blessings. But what if it does not work out. I found this post by a young woman who followed Kimball's advice:
I'm 23 years old, pregnant with our second. I married my husband at the age of 18, jumping into a relationship with him after a horribly abusive relationship with a different young man, one I stayed with because when I asked my BYU single's ward bishop for help, he said I "wasn't sorry enough yet" and needed to repent. With that response, I was sure no one would help me.
My husband is a very nice man, but we're just starting to get on our feet financially, after following the advice given to BYU students by a member of the twelve while we were there, and not waiting to start a family. We soon found, though, that it's easier said then done, especially if both your families can't afford to help you, you have massive health problems while pregnant, and your Wymount ward looks the other way, unless they're upset at you for missing church.
Interesting, too, that while the church is telling college kids to get married and have kids, Utah law meant that as full-time students, we were unable to get any real help from the government, something we tried as a last resort. In the end, we left with my husband barely graduating, us in debt, and me being forced to drop out of school, while sick and pregnant, and then go waitress at Dennys so we could survive.
Looks like old Kimball's "prophetic advice" was a bust here...right? WRONG!
In Mormonism, it's not the leaders who fail... you fail.
You did something wrong, you were not righteous enough, you didn't go to the temple enough, you were not humble, you failed to have Family Home Evening or didn't pay tithing or do your visiting teaching or you didn't ________ enough.
At any rate...if you follow the prophet and it does not work out for you just remember....it's your fault!
Thursday, August 21, 2008
I hope they call me on a mission.....
(…when I have molested a kid or two!)
This post begins with a distortion of an LDS children’s song. Yet as twisted as my humor is, this post deals with a serious issue….one that I had to face as a missionary.
On another internet board I found the following post:
I am furious and very confused. Here is the situation:About 4 years ago a friends daughters were sexually abused by an older cousin. The cousin was 15 years old at the time. He not only abused my friend’s girls, but also the daughters of another mutual cousin. The abuse happened repeatedly over the course of about a year. It came to light, it went to court. The boy pled guilty and was sentenced to some sort of counseling. He never completed the program. Fast forward to today. His record has been expunged, and he has submitted his papers to go on a mission. Apparently his priesthood leaders think he is worthy to go. My friend has written a letter to the missionary board, but if what the local leaders have said is any indication, it won’t matter- he is going. She is sick about it. She feels it is a slap in the face to their family, and it is a danger to the community wherever this pervert may be sent.*I* thought the whole raising the bar thing would have eliminated the possibility of a person like this ever serving a mission. I DONT UNDERSTAND!! If he gets a mission call, she is going to the newspapers. Thoughts? What can I do? She is about ready to leave the church over this!
On this posting board there was outrage but also an undercurrent of “forgive and forget”.
I don’t know if it is because the Mormon Church has had to ignore clear evidence that Joseph Smith was a sexual predator or the morbid desire by Mormon leaders to suppress the male sex drive but the LDS leadership has a habit of covering up sexual misconduct among male members from time to time. Much of it depends on where you are and who you are but I’ve always wondered: If I had to deal with a sex offender as a missionary, how many of them are out there?
Here is what happened to me:
While serving as a zone leader, one of the elders in my zone was a cheerful yet somewhat impulsive fellow we will call Elder X. Elder X and I were in the Missionary Training Center at the same time and knew each other from our brief visits there (I was in another group). He was so cheerful that he had the mission nickname “Happy” so I was able to get along with him just fine. When I became his zone leader and had to deal with him several times a week, I began to notice that he could have temper problems and that he had impulse issues. I had NO IDEA that he had molested a girl before his mission! That information was kept from me.
Fast forward almost two years later. I was at Ricks College and in my apartment one day when Elder X (now Brother X) shows up at my door. After a few pleasantries, we get to talk alone and I discover he is running from the law on bad check charges. I contact another former missionary who served with him and we get him to agree that he has to return and face his mistakes but not before he informs us that he has been in trouble with the law once before his mission for trying to fool around with an underage girl. I was stunned to find that out! Here is a guy with a criminal record and they let him become a missionary!
So did his mission reform him? Sadly, no. I was informed that he was convicted of lewdness with a child in the mid-1990s….ten years after his time as a missionary. He is a registered sex offender. The terrible thing is that the LDS Church knew about his record! He was invited into member’s homes…homes that had young children. I wonder now if he did anything while his companions were looking the other way. I knew that one Elder in our mission was sent home two weeks early for looking down the shirt of a ten year old girl. Did our mission president keep tabs on Elder X to make sure he wasn’t doing the same?
I know that the vast majority of young men that serve missions would never do anything like this, but since I came into contact with one who did...I wonder how many are out there that no one knows about.
I get a lot of flak from active LDS members because I want to tell the entire truth about the LDS Church. I feel that their omissions of historical facts lead to a secrecy that permeates Mormon culture and leads to other secrets being kept as well. It’s bad enough not to tell converts about Joseph Smith’s sexual obsessions but when you keep secrets about LDS missionaries who have close contact with the public, it should be criminal act for which the leadership should be held responsible.
This post begins with a distortion of an LDS children’s song. Yet as twisted as my humor is, this post deals with a serious issue….one that I had to face as a missionary.
On another internet board I found the following post:
I am furious and very confused. Here is the situation:About 4 years ago a friends daughters were sexually abused by an older cousin. The cousin was 15 years old at the time. He not only abused my friend’s girls, but also the daughters of another mutual cousin. The abuse happened repeatedly over the course of about a year. It came to light, it went to court. The boy pled guilty and was sentenced to some sort of counseling. He never completed the program. Fast forward to today. His record has been expunged, and he has submitted his papers to go on a mission. Apparently his priesthood leaders think he is worthy to go. My friend has written a letter to the missionary board, but if what the local leaders have said is any indication, it won’t matter- he is going. She is sick about it. She feels it is a slap in the face to their family, and it is a danger to the community wherever this pervert may be sent.*I* thought the whole raising the bar thing would have eliminated the possibility of a person like this ever serving a mission. I DONT UNDERSTAND!! If he gets a mission call, she is going to the newspapers. Thoughts? What can I do? She is about ready to leave the church over this!
On this posting board there was outrage but also an undercurrent of “forgive and forget”.
I don’t know if it is because the Mormon Church has had to ignore clear evidence that Joseph Smith was a sexual predator or the morbid desire by Mormon leaders to suppress the male sex drive but the LDS leadership has a habit of covering up sexual misconduct among male members from time to time. Much of it depends on where you are and who you are but I’ve always wondered: If I had to deal with a sex offender as a missionary, how many of them are out there?
Here is what happened to me:
While serving as a zone leader, one of the elders in my zone was a cheerful yet somewhat impulsive fellow we will call Elder X. Elder X and I were in the Missionary Training Center at the same time and knew each other from our brief visits there (I was in another group). He was so cheerful that he had the mission nickname “Happy” so I was able to get along with him just fine. When I became his zone leader and had to deal with him several times a week, I began to notice that he could have temper problems and that he had impulse issues. I had NO IDEA that he had molested a girl before his mission! That information was kept from me.
Fast forward almost two years later. I was at Ricks College and in my apartment one day when Elder X (now Brother X) shows up at my door. After a few pleasantries, we get to talk alone and I discover he is running from the law on bad check charges. I contact another former missionary who served with him and we get him to agree that he has to return and face his mistakes but not before he informs us that he has been in trouble with the law once before his mission for trying to fool around with an underage girl. I was stunned to find that out! Here is a guy with a criminal record and they let him become a missionary!
So did his mission reform him? Sadly, no. I was informed that he was convicted of lewdness with a child in the mid-1990s….ten years after his time as a missionary. He is a registered sex offender. The terrible thing is that the LDS Church knew about his record! He was invited into member’s homes…homes that had young children. I wonder now if he did anything while his companions were looking the other way. I knew that one Elder in our mission was sent home two weeks early for looking down the shirt of a ten year old girl. Did our mission president keep tabs on Elder X to make sure he wasn’t doing the same?
I know that the vast majority of young men that serve missions would never do anything like this, but since I came into contact with one who did...I wonder how many are out there that no one knows about.
I get a lot of flak from active LDS members because I want to tell the entire truth about the LDS Church. I feel that their omissions of historical facts lead to a secrecy that permeates Mormon culture and leads to other secrets being kept as well. It’s bad enough not to tell converts about Joseph Smith’s sexual obsessions but when you keep secrets about LDS missionaries who have close contact with the public, it should be criminal act for which the leadership should be held responsible.
Tuesday, August 19, 2008
Everybody has something to hide! (except for me and my monkey)
I've been in a discussion over on another blog about how honest the LDS Church should be with new converts. While some say honesty is the best policy, it doesn't seem to be when you are trying to get someone to convert to your religion.
Was the LDS Church dishonest with me? Yes. Was I dishonest when trying to convert others to Mormonism? Yes. But beyond that the question remains: how honest should religions be when it comes to telling their members unflattering truths?
Mormonism isn't alone. The Jehovah's Witnesses have some serious problems telling people the truth about their religion. Scientology has some problems in the truth department also. We even find similar lists on the ExMormon site and on the ExScientologist site.
Also, Christianity itself has some pretty dark secrets that I only learned of when I got Internet access. I'd include Islam but I don't want to wake up at 3am to find that my barn and my house are on fire.
Back to honesty. After years of research, I don't think that honesty and religious history are on the same page. I really don't. I love this analogy I found here while reading the different opinions of Mormons on historical honesty.
“Let’s say that I dated and married the hottest woman in Texas. She’s everything I ever wanted…beautiful, talented…it’s my belief that she’s my soul mate.
“Our marriage is awesome….we’ve been married for several years….like every marriage, there are things that pop up that we have to work through…but overall, things are great.
“Since I didn’t know her when she was a little kid, teenager…and even before my mission, I rely on her version of her history…what she tells me…..She says she was always active in the church…she’s never had a drink of alcohol…in fact, I was the first guy she kissed….never even had a boyfriend. I have no reason to doubt her….after all, she’s the perfect wife….and any relationship is built upon trust - she’s done nothing to compromise that.
“As time goes on….and we’re moving some old boxes from the basement to storage, I notice a picture of her at a high school dance…liplocked with some dude that obviously ain’t me! And, I uncover some love letters…that are a little more intimate than I’m comfortable with….as I do a little more looking, I discover a photo of her at a frat party…with what appears to be an alcoholic beverage in her hand….some other inconsistencies pop up…..stuff different than what I’ve always been told.
“I immediately start asking questions….I’m disturbed by this…I’m looking for explanations. When I confront her with the evidence, she challenges me saying that I’m looking for a reason to destroy our marriage…and this is really less about her past than about my ability to trust her. I start asking her family….people I trust to tell me the truth. They acknowledge that my wife did kinda have a history, but that really didn’t mean anything. Nothing fundamental changed - after all….I felt a tremendous love and bond to her…right?
“After a while and with some reluctance, she kinda comes clean….(or I get to the bottom of it one way or another) she claims she didn’t mislead me, but she can’t deny that she had a bit of a wild side in high school, she drank a little bit and actually had several boyfriends.
“In fact, she asserts, it was really my fault for misunderstanding her….the information, she claims, was out there if I would have not been so lazy and studied it out for myself. It wasn’t her responsibility to publish, talk about or disclose information that would potentially harm my perception of her….and our relationship. After all, all that stuff happened in the past…and she does not do that anymore (which seems to be true). She says she just didn’t want to harm our relationship….because she cared about me. She argues that she wasn’t inaccurate or untruthful, just a little bit incomplete…again with my best interests in mind.”
Again it's pay no attention to that man behind the curtain....just have faith.
Yep, it would be great if religions were required by law to be totally truthful with their adherents. But then that would be like blowing up the foundation of a house and expecting the walls and the roof not to fall in. ;)
Was the LDS Church dishonest with me? Yes. Was I dishonest when trying to convert others to Mormonism? Yes. But beyond that the question remains: how honest should religions be when it comes to telling their members unflattering truths?
Mormonism isn't alone. The Jehovah's Witnesses have some serious problems telling people the truth about their religion. Scientology has some problems in the truth department also. We even find similar lists on the ExMormon site and on the ExScientologist site.
Also, Christianity itself has some pretty dark secrets that I only learned of when I got Internet access. I'd include Islam but I don't want to wake up at 3am to find that my barn and my house are on fire.
Back to honesty. After years of research, I don't think that honesty and religious history are on the same page. I really don't. I love this analogy I found here while reading the different opinions of Mormons on historical honesty.
“Let’s say that I dated and married the hottest woman in Texas. She’s everything I ever wanted…beautiful, talented…it’s my belief that she’s my soul mate.
“Our marriage is awesome….we’ve been married for several years….like every marriage, there are things that pop up that we have to work through…but overall, things are great.
“Since I didn’t know her when she was a little kid, teenager…and even before my mission, I rely on her version of her history…what she tells me…..She says she was always active in the church…she’s never had a drink of alcohol…in fact, I was the first guy she kissed….never even had a boyfriend. I have no reason to doubt her….after all, she’s the perfect wife….and any relationship is built upon trust - she’s done nothing to compromise that.
“As time goes on….and we’re moving some old boxes from the basement to storage, I notice a picture of her at a high school dance…liplocked with some dude that obviously ain’t me! And, I uncover some love letters…that are a little more intimate than I’m comfortable with….as I do a little more looking, I discover a photo of her at a frat party…with what appears to be an alcoholic beverage in her hand….some other inconsistencies pop up…..stuff different than what I’ve always been told.
“I immediately start asking questions….I’m disturbed by this…I’m looking for explanations. When I confront her with the evidence, she challenges me saying that I’m looking for a reason to destroy our marriage…and this is really less about her past than about my ability to trust her. I start asking her family….people I trust to tell me the truth. They acknowledge that my wife did kinda have a history, but that really didn’t mean anything. Nothing fundamental changed - after all….I felt a tremendous love and bond to her…right?
“After a while and with some reluctance, she kinda comes clean….(or I get to the bottom of it one way or another) she claims she didn’t mislead me, but she can’t deny that she had a bit of a wild side in high school, she drank a little bit and actually had several boyfriends.
“In fact, she asserts, it was really my fault for misunderstanding her….the information, she claims, was out there if I would have not been so lazy and studied it out for myself. It wasn’t her responsibility to publish, talk about or disclose information that would potentially harm my perception of her….and our relationship. After all, all that stuff happened in the past…and she does not do that anymore (which seems to be true). She says she just didn’t want to harm our relationship….because she cared about me. She argues that she wasn’t inaccurate or untruthful, just a little bit incomplete…again with my best interests in mind.”
Again it's pay no attention to that man behind the curtain....just have faith.
Yep, it would be great if religions were required by law to be totally truthful with their adherents. But then that would be like blowing up the foundation of a house and expecting the walls and the roof not to fall in. ;)
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